Page 1 of 9 123 ... LastLast
Results 1 to 20 of 179

Thread: total https sites

  1. #1
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Posts
    1,447

    Default total https sites

    I know that this has been raised before when Google first announced that they would give preference to sites that were totally https but I am bringing it up again because I have today spotted the first example of Google showing preference to https sites over other sites that could be argued as having better metrics.
    For a high value search term (in my sector) 3 out of the 10 organic results are https. None of the big brands also listed are https. So it looks like being https may be more important for smaller online businesses which is of course most of us on Bluepark.
    So my question to everyone is - has anyone else noticed they are being outranked by less good (or equal) sites that have total https. And my question to BP is just how difficult would it be to make our sites total https?
    Gill

  2. #2
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    Nottingham
    Posts
    2,535

    Default

    Personally, from a security point of view I don't see the point or the benefits of having the whole website HTTPS. Only the pages where personal information is entered or passwords require HTTPS and encryption.

    Richard did write a blog article on his views on this.

    http://www.bluepark.co.uk/blog/googl...-to-https.html

    How far do we go as website owners to satisfy Google's every whim?

  3. #3
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Location
    Cumbria
    Posts
    3,425

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Red Devil View Post
    How far do we go as website owners to satisfy Google's every whim?
    As far as we have to
    Regards,

    Dave

  4. #4
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Posts
    1,447

    Default

    Well said Dave.
    Like it or not Google has us all by the short and curlies and we ignore their whims at our peril.
    I hate jumping through the Google hoops just as much as anyone and the whole site https is in my personal view a gimmick with no security benefit but I want to stay in business and know if I do not play the game by Google rules I will not be in business for very long. We all know how morally wrong that is - but it is the reality of trading online today - Google has all the power.
    It might be early days re the https impact which is why I asked if anyone else had noticed sites ranking above them with whole site https. If this is the thin end of the wedge then all of us sme online businesses with https where it really matters could see yet another unfair drop in traffic as our competitors playing by Google's rules are given preference by Google.
    Gill

  5. #5
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    Nottingham
    Posts
    2,535

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Gillf View Post
    Well said Dave.
    Like it or not Google has us all by the short and curlies and we ignore their whims at our peril.
    .
    So if they told you to colour your website red, white and blue as that would improve your rankings, you would?

    Once everyone has HTTPS then it's a level playing field again. There's no skill in making it HTTPS as opposed to having good SEO techniques.

    I can see the sense of Google asking online businesses to be more security conscious and use HTTPS for certain pages to protect their customers data, but the whole site? Doesn't make sense.

    I guess it's down to each individual website owner what they do.

    Personally, I think it's another Google fad.

    P.S. Just typed in "lingerie" on Google. can't see any HTTPS pages. It's mainly the big boys on Page 1.

  6. #6
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Location
    Cumbria
    Posts
    3,425

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Red Devil View Post
    So if they told you to colour your website red, white and blue as that would improve your rankings, you would?
    Now your just being silly. There is plenty of info out there on the web regarding https and Gill has some info that suggests it does make a difference. Unless are a well known brand IE John Lewis you have to listen to Google and improve your websites inline with their suggestions.

    I can guarantee within a year or two everyone will be using HTTPS and those that don't will be nowhere in the rankings.
    Regards,

    Dave

  7. #7
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Posts
    1,447

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Red Devil View Post

    Once everyone has HTTPS then it's a level playing field again. There's no skill in making it HTTPS as opposed to having good SEO techniques.


    P.S. Just typed in "lingerie" on Google. can't see any HTTPS pages. It's mainly the big boys on Page 1.
    Google is (so they say) trying to make the whole web safer and they are using their power to make us do as they want by having whole site https as a ranking factor.
    It's not about SEO skill it is simply that Google said they would use this as a ranking factor and now I have seen evidence of this happening. And as I said in my first post it is only the small retailers that seem to be affected. The Big Boys are not bothering at least for the moment and of course they are not so easily bullied or put out of business by Google as the rest of us.

    If as you suggest everyone will go https over time then perhaps we should be doing it sooner rather than later.

    In case anyone is interested the following link is to a Google presentation where this was announced. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBhZ...gn=tls_en_post
    Gill

  8. #8
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Posts
    472

    Default

    So how difficult is this to implement? BP install our safety certificates (& I assume make a small margin as re-seller) easily & effectively, if converting total sites to secure is relatively easy then it seems a no brainer.

    [Ref the big G: it is their pitch, their rules and their ball. Us mere mortals just have to live with it and pay more tax because they don't. If you want to start a political rant look at http://fairtaxtown.com/ but if you want to comment on that start another thread, rather than hijacking this one like I just have.]

  9. #9
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Location
    Cumbria
    Posts
    3,425

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Bather View Post
    So how difficult is this to implement?
    Don't know. There is nothing we can do and assume it would take some tinkering of the code from BP.
    Regards,

    Dave

  10. #10
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Posts
    371

    Default

    Interesting article where Google have said they will put a red cross in the browser on Chrome for non https sites

    http://motherboard.vice.com/read/goo...d-chrome-https

  11. #11
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Posts
    2,089

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by swg View Post
    Interesting article where Google have said they will put a red cross in the browser on Chrome for non https sites

    http://motherboard.vice.com/read/goo...d-chrome-https
    I think that pretty much shows that https is going to have to come sooner or later, have to say I have noticed that 2 of my competitors have gone now fully https since xmas.
    Regards

    Neil.

  12. #12
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Posts
    1,447

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by swg View Post
    Interesting article where Google have said they will put a red cross in the browser on Chrome for non https sites

    http://motherboard.vice.com/read/goo...d-chrome-https
    Thanks for sharing that article. I really hope BP are looking at this given Google now plans to "shame" sites that are not fully encryped with a red x - that will help business - NOT! Doubly worrying if the unnamed Google rep was right in thinking it will happen soon!

    just learned that Google have released updated webmaster guidelines and now encrypting your site is included.
    Last edited by Gillf; 29-01-2016 at 00:06. Reason: Add info.
    Gill

  13. #13
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Posts
    2,089

    Default

    I think, it needs to be decided what is the best from a ranking point of view tho.

    I've just run a pingdom speed test on my competitors sites and have to say they are crawling compared to my BP one.....
    Regards

    Neil.

  14. #14
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Location
    Cumbria
    Posts
    3,425

    Default

    Some of BP competitors are also going / offering full HTTPS.

    Also believe it won't be long before Google highlight in the results that a site is fully secure or not. So they will say something like Safe Site or Secured Site making it obvious to people what sites are secure and what are not.
    Regards,

    Dave

  15. #15
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Posts
    1,447

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Dave View Post
    Some of BP competitors are also going / offering full HTTPS.

    Also believe it won't be long before Google highlight in the results that a site is fully secure or not. So they will say something like Safe Site or Secured Site making it obvious to people what sites are secure and what are not.
    If they do that we are dead even if they don't rank the encrypted sites higher.
    Gill

  16. #16
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Posts
    1,447

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Neil View Post
    I think, it needs to be decided what is the best from a ranking point of view tho.

    I've just run a pingdom speed test on my competitors sites and have to say they are crawling compared to my BP one.....
    I think Rich said it would slow everything up when this was first raised a while back as a reason not to do it. However, I did some further research on one competitor, relatively new in the market and with Shopify. They have spammy back link profile and not great on site seo but ranking well for high volume/value keywords. Just tested their speed and it is slower than ours but on really visiting their site I had not noticed slowness, so I am guessing that the 10% point difference in speed performance is not sufficient to damage seo and ux.
    Gill

  17. #17
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Location
    Cumbria
    Posts
    3,425

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Gillf View Post
    If they do that we are dead even if they don't rank the encrypted sites higher.
    Its logical they will do it. Like they do by showing a site is mobile friendly.

    With all the recent articles on the web and Google making changes to WMT it's coming !
    Regards,

    Dave

  18. #18
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Posts
    530

    Default

    The more I'm searching and reading articles on this topic the more I'm thinking it is going to be necessary and the sooner the better,

    If it is implemented then consideration will need to be taken with regards to 301 redirects as all our back links could end up as 404's. All http back-links will be to be 301'd to https.

    This could be a massive pull to Bluepark for a lot of people/company's selling online as the only other ecommerce provider I have found so far (BC) is $200pm

    It would be great to hear from BP if this is at least possible and if they have any intention of giving us the option to implement it.

    Ian

  19. #19
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Posts
    1,447

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Les78 View Post
    The more I'm searching and reading articles on this topic the more I'm thinking it is going to be necessary and the sooner the better,

    If it is implemented then consideration will need to be taken with regards to 301 redirects as all our back links could end up as 404's. All http back-links will be to be 301'd to https.

    This could be a massive pull to Bluepark for a lot of people/company's selling online as the only other ecommerce provider I have found so far (BC) is $200pm

    It would be great to hear from BP if this is at least possible and if they have any intention of giving us the option to implement it.

    Ian
    Shopify also do it.
    Gill

  20. #20
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    Nottingham
    Posts
    2,535

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Les78 View Post
    The more I'm searching and reading articles on this topic the more I'm thinking it is going to be necessary and the sooner the better,

    If it is implemented then consideration will need to be taken with regards to 301 redirects as all our back links could end up as 404's. All http back-links will be to be 301'd to https.

    Ian
    I think it could be set up so that all HTTP URLs would redirect to HTTPS URLs - this would prevent 404s on current 301s.

    Currently if you type in an HTTP URL for a URL that is HTTPS, it automatically replaces it with the HTTPS and redirects.

Similar Threads

  1. https: sites getting an seo boost
    By Flowers in forum Online Marketing and Promotion
    Replies: 14
    Last Post: 18-12-2014, 18:21
  2. Invoice total on dispatch note
    By Earthrise in forum Bluepark Technical Discussion
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 05-10-2014, 19:27
  3. Transaction amount doesn't match order total...?
    By LabelKing in forum Bluepark Technical Discussion
    Replies: 7
    Last Post: 12-08-2014, 10:23
  4. Basket total in header
    By Ashley in forum Bluepark Technical Discussion
    Replies: 6
    Last Post: 21-05-2013, 11:25
  5. Additions and total price
    By swg in forum Bluepark Technical Discussion
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: 13-01-2013, 19:18

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
About us

Bluepark's ecommerce software is developed, hosted and supported exclusively by ourselves, here in the UK, and has been so since the company was initially formed in 2004. Your brand new online shop will be hosted securely on our fast and reliable server network, using a domain name of your choice, providing the ability to build and maintain your ecommerce website, and manage your orders, from any location via your own secure online Administration Console.

A Bluepark ecommerce site is the perfect tool for selling online, whether you're selling physical products, digital downloads or services. You'll be in good company with over 1,000 UK customers who also form a friendly and helpful online community, further strengthening our highly acclaimed support network.

Find us on...